Genoa block-winch layout

mikeprojectboat · Post by **mikeprojectboat** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:39 am

Anybody had probs with the genoa (foresail) rope not being at the right angle to use the winch.? Have tried moving the block foward and back,have it right back at the cabin corner now, sort of works ,but rope then feeds down of the base of the winch.? Have not been using the winch much because of this, but notice now I am getting knackered and getting chaff/wear marks on the coach roof edges.For the line to feed ok, it seems as if the winch needs to be at the VERY edge of the coach roof, and/or the block to be higher on a 6inch spring , then the rope would align well with the winch.? Regards to all.. Mike in sunny Greece (I wish!)

Rondonay · Post by **Rondonay** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:52 pm

You are right Mike it does wear the gel coat. I think it would only not rub if the winches were at cockpit level. I guess a free running fairlead set where it chafes would be the best bet. Where are you sailing?

Pauline

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Anybody had probs with the genoa (foresail) rope not being at the right angle to use the winch.? Have tried moving the block foward and back,have it right back at the cabin corner now, sort of works ,but rope then feeds down of the base of the winch.? Have not been using the winch much because of this, but notice now I am getting knackered and getting chaff/wear marks on the coach roof edges.For the line to feed ok, it seems as if the winch needs to be at the VERY edge of the coach roof, and/or the block to be higher on a 6inch spring , then the rope would align well with the winch.? Regards to all.. Mike in sunny Greece (I wish!)

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yoty · Post by **yoty** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:34 pm

Hi Mike,

I've only had the boat since August but straight away decided that those winches were in the wrong place. Over the winter I acquired a pair of Gibb bottom action winches off eBay and fitted them to the side decks. Much better, and they also double for the spinnaker and being bottom-action the handles are permanently attached. I got them for £35 so it was a bit of a steal. They are no longer made so you would need to shop around a bit.

Pictures if you want them.

Cheers

Barry
'Offbeat'

mikeprojectboat · Post by **mikeprojectboat** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:42 pm

Hi all, think the answer is to raise the blocks, will give it some thought. Went to the Norfolk Broads last week to help lift in a cornish shrimper, NO WATER!!!!!! Level was about 14 inches lower than it should be.!!! So looks like the broads is a no-go this year, leaving just wolverton(river orwell) but this is not a cheap option. Had thought about the Wash area, and up by Wells, and Blakney, anybody have thoughts on this or the Lake district, costs, launching, conditions etc... Regards to all , Mike in very sunny and warm Norfolk!

robvega · Post by **robvega** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:16 am

Hi Mike,
What type of rope are you using for the jib sheet? I had no probs with my old worn (matt/fluffy) sheet but when I replaced it with new (shiny) sheet, the coils on the winch started riding over one another & off the bottom of the winch, particularly on the starboard side! they were also starting to mark/wear the gel coat on the edge of the coachroof. I got some thin stainless strip, bent it to shape and stuck it to the coachroof edges to cover & protect the marks in the gel coat by the winches. I'll take some photo's next time I'm at the boat. This dosn't solve the problem of the sheets over riding on the winches. In light winds I just put one turn round the winch. When its windy I swear a lot!
Rob
ps I'm sure there are technical terms for the differant types of rope but I forget what they are!
pps If you raise the block, it would need to move forward slightly on the slider to keep the sheet angle the same & then the clew may reach the block before it was tightly sheeted, it would on my boat anyway, depends on the cut of the genoa!

Rondonay · Post by **Rondonay** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:17 pm

Where were you doing the lift-in Mike?

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Subject: [Swift 18] Re: Genoa block-winch layout

Hi all, think the answer is to raise the blocks, will give it some thought. Went to the Norfolk Broads last week to help lift in a cornish shrimper, NO WATER!!!!!! Level was about 14 inches lower than it should be.!!! So looks like the broads is a no-go this year, leaving just wolverton(river orwell) but this is not a cheap option. Had thought about the Wash area, and up by Wells, and Blakney, anybody have thoughts on this or the Lake district, costs, launching, conditions etc... Regards to all , Mike in very sunny and warm Norfolk!

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mikeprojectboat · Post by **mikeprojectboat** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:07 pm

Using a12mm multi plait (soft/bit fluffy) seems ideal,but the angle has to be wrong as the rope only just clears the grp when the block is right back.BUT if the block was 2ins higher this would solve it,this would reduce the angle the rope feeds out of the block onto the winch clearing the grp deck. Had thought about s/s or alloy edging but still thinking of raising the blocks. Hauling a full /half genoa in all the time by hand is hard work.!! Will keep you all updated. Regards MIKE

mikeprojectboat · Post by **mikeprojectboat** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:22 pm

Hi, Helped with a crane in at catfield(cratfield?) dyke ,had about 6ins of water at the very end of the dyke.!! Lots of people getting worried about the low water level, have to pray for rain I think. Some guy said that it was normal for this time of year, but 14ins is a bit much.!! Regards Mike

Rondonay · Post by **Rondonay** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:59 am

Oh yes, well Catfield is definitely at â€˜the shallow endâ€™ try launching at Horning or Wroxham or Stalham, youâ€™d be fine.
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Hi, Helped with a crane in at catfield(cratfield?) dyke ,had about 6ins of water at the very end of the dyke.!! Lots of people getting worried about the low water level, have to pray for rain I think. Some guy said that it was normal for this time of year, but 14ins is a bit much.!! Regards Mike

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